In this article we speak with Jenna Pandeli, an active member of Bristol Leadership and Change Centre, who has recently been promoted to Associate Professor in Organization Studies at UWE, Bristol
With a notable focus on prison labour and invisible forms of work, she has received the esteemed SAGE prize for Excellence and Innovation in 2020 for her ground-breaking publication, ‘Captives in Cycles of Invisibility’. This recognition underscores her commitment to shedding light on the intricacies of work within prison contexts and highlighting often unnoticed aspects of labour. She talks about her journey as an academic, her current projects and what she sees in her future.
Good Morning Jenna, Thank you for taking the time to sit down with me today. Can you tell us a little about your background, how you got into academic research and how your research interests developed?
I completed my PhD at Cardiff University in 2015. My undergraduate Business Ethics lecturer suggested that I apply for an ESRC scholarship to complete a PhD. When we looked into it, all the scholarships had gone and I assumed that was it, so I started my job as a waitress and started to try and figure out what I might do with my life. My lecturer called me up and told me that someone had dropped out and a space was available, so I quickly came up with a research proposal, submitted it and was successful! It’s like it was meant to be.
My initial proposal was to look at anti-consumer subcultures – exploring people who practice ‘Freeganism’ (people who get their food etc. from supermarket bins in protest to capitalism and over consumption). I researched this for my master’s dissertation, it was a really interesting (and quite scary!) project, but I decided it wasn’t quite for me and looked into other potential research projects to pursue.
I started thinking about people in prison and their job prospects after prison…If I was going to spend several years focusing on something it was going to have to be something that was interesting, something that mattered to me and something I felt was meaningful. And the more I dug into this topic, the more I started to look at prison labour. There were a few fantastic pieces of journalism on the topic, and I thought it was a topic that required greater investigation. And that was it, I was hooked! So, my PhD research was a 10-month ethnographic study exploring prisoners experiences of completing privately contracted prison labour, I referred to them as ‘Orange Collar Workers’ (combining ‘blue collar work’ with the orange jumpsuit synonymous with prisoners). I applied for a job at UWE at the end of my PhD and managed to convince them to give me a job and have been here ever since…going on 8 years now.
You have a particular focus on Organizational Ethnography when conducting research. Why did you choose this method over others?
To be honest, I just can’t imagine researching in any other way. Obviously, I still incorporate other methods too but at its core, I want to know about peoples experiences, I want to see people in action. When I speak to students they often talk about ‘picking’ a method, but really, you don’t have a lot of choice in the methods you choose; I think a lot of it comes down to your outlook and views on the world and society, the questions you want to find the answers too, the things you want to know more about.
..a lot of it comes down to your outlook and views on the world and society, the questions you want to find the answers too, the things you want to know more about. I always find myself asking the How? Why? What?..
I always find myself asking the How? Why? What? Questions and I always want to chat with people. I undertook ethnography for both my master and PhD and even undertook observations for an A level Sociology class before I really even knew much about methods. Even when I’m not doing ethnography, I am still writing about ethnography. I edited a book last year with my wonderful friends Neil Sutherland and Hugo Gaggiotti and contributed chapters that look at conducting dangerous fieldwork and just really unpicking what ethnography is. I am currently writing a paper that reflects on gender in ethnography. My co-author, Rafael Alcadipani, and I explore how completing ethnography in hyper-masculine organizations is influenced by the gender of the researcher – it’s pretty cool. I’ll be presenting it at the EGOS conference next month. It’s wonderful getting to work with amazing people who share these interests.
Tell us more about your research and research projects, what are projects you are working on right now?
At the moment I am focusing on two main projects:
I am working with a charity called Project Remake to deliver enterprise education to previously incarcerated people. I was put in touch with Project Remake last year and we realised that we could help each other. They are an absolutely incredible charity doing really life changing things for people who have been in prison. They provide an 8-week course on starting your own business, working with amazing people from industry and academia and then the participants are given the opportunity to start a paid work placement for 12 weeks, an opportunity to pitch their business idea to experts to gain feedback, and lots of the participants go on to stay at the firm they completed their placement with. I audited the most recent course and knew I needed to be involved. So, we (Lynda Williams and I) applied to the City and Guilds Foundation for funding, and they have been amazing. They loved the collaboration and so they have awarded us funding for year one of the project. This will involve 3 small intakes to join the course, with UWE leading on the 8-week course delivery. The funding also allows me to undertake research on the project and explore its impact on participants self-efficacy, their employment, and its impact on reoffending. We will start the project in September this year, so it’s going to be a very busy summer preparing for the course and the research, and a very busy and exciting year ahead!
The second project I am involved in is called: Maternity Leave During a Global Pandemic: The Black Box of Invisible Work. I am working with two amazing colleagues, Chloe Tarrabain and Mahwish Khan. All three of us gave birth during the covid pandemic to our first babies. We all gave birth in 2020 and I think it’s safe to say, it was incredibly tough. I know bringing a new baby home is tough regardless but doing it in almost total isolation was nearly impossible. I think the trauma that a lot of women experienced during this time is going to stay with them forever. My little boy is almost 3 and I’m still angry at how difficult that first year was; barely seeing anyone, only meeting outdoors (pretty difficult to do in December with a 3-month-old baby!), with the crippling fear of this virus killing lots of people whilst being told that as a pregnant woman, you are vulnerable. We all came back to work after our maternity leave and talked about how we survived maternity leave during covid and felt like we really needed to talk to women who had experienced this too and give them a voice. So, we have now interviewed 13 women. Our interviewees have a lot to say and even now, reading back over the interviews has reduced me to tears. They are really harrowing experiences and very close to home. So yes, I think this is a really important and personal project for me. We received HEIF funding for this project to engage with relevant stakeholders.
..we don’t want to hide this research in academia; we think it’s important to engage with organisations, charities, and women to disseminate this research and try to make it meaningful..
We obviously want to publish about this research in academic journals etc. but we don’t want to hide this research in academia; we think it’s important to engage with organisations, charities, and women to disseminate this research and try to make it meaningful. So, thanks to our HEIF Funding and our wonderful BLCC research centre, we are creating an accessible research report and short animated video so that we can share our findings and recommendations widely.
Do you have any projects you would like to work on in the future? Any collaborations?
For the foreseeable future, I think I am going to have my hands pretty full with both of these projects. I am also working on two research papers from my PhD research with colleagues – the gender paper I mentioned earlier and a paper on neoliberalism and prison labour with Richard Longman from the OU. When it comes to interesting projects and ideas, I tend to get a bit over excited and say yes to everything and I am realising that’s not always the best approach as it’s so tough to do things well when you spread yourself too thin. So, for now, I plan to commit to my current projects and try to avoid taking on too much else until they are completed. BUT…. After that, I’m not quite sure yet… potentially a bigger project on invisible work during maternity leave. Our current project specifically focuses on maternity leave in Covid and is only a small project, so I think we would really like to look at this on a bigger scale.
You can find out more about Jenna, her publications and how to get in touch here.